That's true if you go by the date the toys came out, but show-wise they belong to Masterforce, at least to the first half of the series.
About the Dinoforce, now that you mention it their concept was pretty silly, they were pretenders on the toys, but never on the show. They only rode the dinosaurs, and nobody ever questioned why they had dinosaurs there that had no actual purpose, not when they fused to Dinoking. I always thought they had to ride the dinosaurs because the robots had short legs xD
The toys sell the show. No one has to ask why they ride dinosaurs, from the toys they know it's their pretender shells. Thankfully Victory knew not every toy gimmick needed a forced (and useless) fiction explanation, taking up story telling time.
So you're saying prtenders can't exist outside of Masterforce? Silly or not, Dinoforce shows Takara didn't mind breaking the rule. Also, albeit briefly, Black shadow and Blue Bacchus made an appearance in Victory. Classic Pretenders and Mega pretenders carrying into Victory is no different to the headmaster concept crossing from Headmasters to Masterforce with the new headmaster Juniors. That coupled with Takaras release of this box set easily allows these characters to be from Victory. (plus, as you know, the box set was without the pretender shell)
If it makes you feel any better, Guido 'got it right' as it seems, with his newest concept:[link]
Sorry If I'm jumping on you, but this trend of every one of these concepts having some wise guy suggest Guido has it wrong because they 'BELONG' to Masterforce, to me, is irritating. Maybe it's not my battle. But what can I say.
Didn't mean to step on anyone's toes, I was just bringing up a perfectly valid point in response to a comment on a subject I have a lot of interest in. Shouldn't be anything wrong with that. Wanting to defend the artists rights to labeling his own concepts and ideas was just a portion of my reasons, not the whole. And I did this because I am an artist myself, not because it's specifically Guido Gidi or because it's someone I admire, but because I see nothing wrong with defending the ethic behind any piece of artwork. This sounds presumptious and perhaps out of line, I agree, but as I already stated 'defending' the work or the artist was only part of the reason.
And yes, I realise this sounds 'touchy'. One could ask why you yourself have jumped into this conversation, I assume because you have seen a comment that takes your interest and have some input to it. I did no different, really. I apologised to the person in question for jumping him, and I'll do the same here as I realise that sometimes I can be a bit bull-ish and overly straightforward (and yes, overly wordy). I have, however, no intention of causing ofence. To anyone. I understand your point, and appreciate it, I really do
Assolutamente favoloso, si vedono, benissimo sfruttate, tutte le influenze da robottoni giapponesi anni '70 perfettamente integrate in un design TF...anch'io adoro TF Victory, anche solo perchè i TF quando camminano fanno lo stesso rumore che faceva Mazinga z!
Capisco cosa intendi, basta guardare la prima scena della prima puntata, dove Starsaber affronta i due banditi decepticons in un villaggio "di frontiera", sembrava di vedere un incrocio tra Trider g7 e Sam il ragazzo del west. Deathsaurus poi era un villain degno di succedere a Megatron.
Very cool! Though, isn't his face suppose to be orange for this version? Or did the Japanese version come with a silver painted face? Or is this artistic licence that I'm stepping all over like some sort of creep? .... if it's the last one, sorry, no disrespect is meant, just wanting to see what you're thinking.
It did? All right then. I couldn't quickly find any clear pics of the robot mode for the Japanese version so I wasn't sure. Thank you for cluing me in. I retract my comment and continue to praise this piece as a masterful work of Transformers awesomeness.